Go Back   plecoplanet Forums > Pleco Forums > Pleco Breeding > Breeding logs
Plecoplanet on Facebook

Notices

Breeding logs step by step accounts of breeding attempts and successes

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01-07-09, 12:33
kakamac's Avatar
kakamac kakamac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Fishkeeping Experience: Advanced
Breeding Experience: Intermediate
Posts: 83
Gallery: 24
Helpful Posts
Awards Breeding LogPhoto
L201 Breeding Log

Tank Size – 3 foot long x 20 inches wide x 18 inches high

L201 Tank


Substrate – Very fine mixed gravel purchased from the LFS

Tank Furnishings – Plenty of Driftwood and caves

Additives – Indian Almond Leaves

Caves – 1 Bristlenose log 14 cm’s long (entrance 2.5cm’s wide), 6 Bamboo logs. The Bamboo logs are 14 to 15cm’s long (entrance’s from 2 to 2.5cm’s long). Bamboo was recommended to me and is in my opinion the best material I’ve used for caves so far. The bamboo logs were boiled then aloud to dry and cool before use.

Log used for L201's


Filtration – One Otto 2000L Hr internal filter with venturi which provides a strong current.

Heating – Jager 300W

Temperature - 30 to 32 degrees Celsius

Cleaning – Filter cleaned weekly, 50% water change and gravel vac completed weekly with 25% water change daily when fry are present.

Tank Mates – A colony of Cherry Shrimp (and a heap of pest snails).

Female Cherry Shrimp


Breeding Diet For L201’s – Sera Viformo
Frozen Bloodworm
Frozen Brine Shrimp
Cucumber
Zucchini
Wardley’s Tropical Flake Food

Present Diet for all my pleco’s – Sera Viformo
Frozen Bloodworm (removed from the diet when fry are present)
Frozen Brine Shrimp
JBL Novo Plec Chips
NLS H20 Wafers
Wardley’s Tropical Flake Food
Lettuce
Cucumber
Zucchini

(Adding Sera Catfish Chips Soon)

Secondary Diet
The secondary diet was prior to and after breeding and includes two items (see below).

Indian Almond Leaves - I’ve observed the fish eating IAL them often so include them as part of the diet

Cherry Shrimp - eaten but not often

Use of Almond Leaves - Initially I’d read a lot about Almond Leaves and was keen to experiment with them. After a fruitless search I eventually found a FS that sold them an hour or so away. I purchased some and the results were great. I simply washed them and let them float around the tank before they became caught on driftwood or sank after becoming waterlogged.

The PH fell from 7.5 to 6.5 and the fish used the Almond Leaves to hide under if spooked and not near the caves. Added to this they were eaten by the fish and the shrimp and helped stain the water (which the driftwood also did) which gave a great effect. I never go a day now without adding them to any of my L number tanks now and have observed my L134’s enjoying them.

Origins of Colony – The colony came to me as six 3-4cm fish from a friend. I was pretty pleased with them as all were in good health. Immediately they were placed in a 2 foot long x 1 foot wide x 1 foot high where they were maintained for a number of months with a colony of Cherry Shrimp before being moved to the 3 foot.

Two of the colony members




Sex Ratio & Size – Unsure of sexes at present as I leave the colony to their own devices. Sizes of colony members range from approximately 5 - 7.5cm's.

Spawning and Observations – Spawning the L201’s was unintentional. Whilst I had been hopeful they would breed at some stage I had been told that it could take a while and be prepared to wait. Added to this I believed the fish to be too small. The predominant diet fed at the time was Sera Viformo and Frozen bloodworms. Unfortunately the Viformo ran out so the fish lived predominately on Bloodworm and the other foods listed in the breeding diet till I could get more Viformo which was approximately 3 weeks. The Bloodworms I believe along with the regular water changes triggered breeding which took place in a bamboo log situated under a piece of driftwood.

Whilst removing the cave for cleaning and getting the cave close to the surface the male shot out. I had not realised he was in there so curiously I shone the torch inside to see four fry. I quickly placed it back in the tank in the same position I found it and thankfully the male returned.

Two days later the four fry left the bamboo cave and were placed in a cheap fry saver from the LFS. One of the fry died in the early stages (as to why I am unsure) and the other three survived. The fry were fed a diet of lettuce (which was ignored), Wardley’s Tropical flake food and viformo.

A small piece of NLS H20 wafer was offered every few feeds and was not eaten initially however they are now feeding in the main tank on NLS H20. JBL Novo plec is still being fed and relished however whilst the fry are in the main tank with the rest of the colony I will refrain from feeding Bloodworm.

At 33 days measuring 1cm in length the three fry were released from the fry trap back into the main tank with the colony of L201’s and Cherry Shrimp. Of the three fish one had unusually light colouring and is still rather light. The other two had similar patterning to the rest of the colony. All three fry are thriving although growth is slow.

Cheap Fry Saver


"Normal fry"


Unusual "White fry"


Photo of "White" fry taken on the 30/06/09


Side photo taken of "White" L201 on 30/06/09
__________________
Regards,
Kak


Currently keeping L333, L201 (breeding). Wanting to add more soon.

Last edited by kakamac; 01-07-09 at 13:29. Reason: Added Size of colony members (Thanks Rabbit).
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-07-09, 12:50
Rabbit's Avatar
Rabbit Rabbit is offline
Moderator

 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Rabbit's Flag is: New Zealand
Location: Auckland, NZ
Fishkeeping Experience: Advanced
Breeding Experience: Intermediate
Posts: 1,831
Gallery: 128
Helpful Posts
Awards ArticlesPhoto
Well done mate, thanks for the heads up.
You may whant to add the size of the parents though.
__________________
Too many plec's not enough time!



Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-07-09, 13:28
kakamac's Avatar
kakamac kakamac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Fishkeeping Experience: Advanced
Breeding Experience: Intermediate
Posts: 83
Gallery: 24
Helpful Posts
Awards Breeding LogPhoto
Rabbit,

Thanks for that. I've now added the size of the colony in under the caption Sex Ratio & Size.

Regards,
Kak
__________________
Regards,
Kak


Currently keeping L333, L201 (breeding). Wanting to add more soon.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-07-09, 16:24
Doodles's Avatar
Doodles Doodles is offline
Site Owner/Admin
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Doodles's Flag is: England
Location: Kent
Fishkeeping Experience: Advanced
Breeding Experience: Beginner
Posts: 6,581
Gallery: 112
Helpful Posts
Awards Breeding LogArticlesPhoto
Very well done Kak, thats excellent
You put a lot of effort and info into that.
__________________
Helpful information regarding the forum
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-07-09, 22:14
cup's Avatar
cup cup is offline
US Support Team

 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Berkeley, CA
Posts: 170
Gallery: 6
Helpful Posts
Awards Breeding LogsArticles
woah, dude. an amelanistic fry? awesome!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-07-09, 06:52
young1nj young1nj is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Michigan
Fishkeeping Experience: Intermediate
Breeding Experience: None
Posts: 33
Gallery: 0
Helpful Posts
A really good article kakamac

Last edited by young1nj; 02-07-09 at 09:48.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-07-09, 08:42
kakamac's Avatar
kakamac kakamac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Fishkeeping Experience: Advanced
Breeding Experience: Intermediate
Posts: 83
Gallery: 24
Helpful Posts
Awards Breeding LogPhoto
Here are two photos I took of Whitey (as I call him) today. My fiancee suggested we call him Al as in Albino lol. I used a flash is that why it shows a red eye? I believe he does have a red eye however he moves away whenever I get close so can't tell. I hope everyone likes them.



__________________
Regards,
Kak


Currently keeping L333, L201 (breeding). Wanting to add more soon.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-07-09, 10:08
Rabbit's Avatar
Rabbit Rabbit is offline
Moderator

 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Rabbit's Flag is: New Zealand
Location: Auckland, NZ
Fishkeeping Experience: Advanced
Breeding Experience: Intermediate
Posts: 1,831
Gallery: 128
Helpful Posts
Awards ArticlesPhoto
I was just reading an article on albinism and amelanistic genes via wikipedia and found this
"The incidence of albinism can be artificially increased in fish by exposing the eggs to heavy metals."
Id never heard of this before may be worth cheking your water heavy metal content?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism
__________________
Too many plec's not enough time!



Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-07-09, 10:50
kakamac's Avatar
kakamac kakamac is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia
Fishkeeping Experience: Advanced
Breeding Experience: Intermediate
Posts: 83
Gallery: 24
Helpful Posts
Awards Breeding LogPhoto
Thanks Rabbit. A friend of mine had said the same thing however all tests he did on my tank indicate that heavy metal content in the water is very very low. I found it interesting when he mentioned it and had never heard of it before.
__________________
Regards,
Kak


Currently keeping L333, L201 (breeding). Wanting to add more soon.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-07-09, 10:58
Irene0100's Avatar
Irene0100 Irene0100 is offline
UK Support Team

 
Join Date: May 2009
Irene0100's Flag is: UK
Location: Norfolk, UK
Fishkeeping Experience: Advanced
Breeding Experience: Intermediate
Posts: 2,392
Gallery: 153
Helpful Posts
Awards ArticlePhotoBreeding Log
really interesting, and such lovely fish. thanks so much.
__________________




Helpful information regarding the forum
FAQ/RULES
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Aqua Essentials

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


Screwcumber


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:22.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Designed by: vBSkinworks