Ammonia / mini-cycle - please help!

boogaloo

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Hi everyone,

Can anyone help me? I'll try to be brief:

Rio 300. Running 5 years with no problems until now. Temp: 24-25C, nitrates 20ppm on average, pH 6.4-6.6. Water insanely soft, doesn't even register on GH or KH tests. Tiny amount of crushed coral in the internal filter to help, but too much just causes the pH to rise too much / too quickly, so I tend to leave alone. Has jumbo Juwel filter and eHeim classic 2217 running. Current population:

1 common plec (about 10")
3 bosemani rainbows
4 corys
11 marbled hatchets
4 scissortails
Around 26 small tetras (neons, glows, xrays)

No fish added since August and have lost a couple of tetras since then.

1st Jan - fungus on a tetra and as one of the rainbows had a slight injury, thought it best to treat the whole tank as a a precaution with Interpet 8 Anti-Fungus and Finrot. Treated based on a dosage for a 260L tank. Did a 20% water change and cleaned the internal filter first (probably a mistake).

A couple of hours later, no fungus on tetra (weird), but plec showing stress colouration and sitting on bottom looking miserable and not eating (normally he's very active, greedy and dark brown). Did a 10% water change. After a few more hours, plec back to normal.

Saturday 7th evening - some of the fish puffing (corys, rainbows and scissors). Tested tank: ammonia 1ppm, nitrite 0, nitrate 20, pH 6.4. 30% water change and added 2 caps of Prime to see if that would help. Following morning, tested again and ammonia down to 0.

Tested again about an hour ago - ammonia 0.5ppm (no nitrite). Another 30% water change (thankfully, all fish seem fine). Found some carbon in the cupboard, so have bunged this in the filter, in case there are still meds left in the tank.

Can anyone advise me? I have never had ammonia issues with this tank before, even when I've had to switch off external filters due to leakage for a couple of days (this happened about 2 years ago, and again last summer, when I changed to the eHeim). Even without the external running (which worried the hell out me), there was no ammonia on either occasion.

Aside from daily monitoring and water changes if necessary, is there anything else I can do? Is it worth getting some Stresszyme to see if that will help? It looks as though I've lost my filter bacteria. I have 7 other tanks of varying sizes, which all appear fine (fish all acting normally), though I'm going to test the lot tonight now! The only think I can think is that maybe the meds have knackered the filter bacteria, as that's is the only thing I've done differently (I have never used any kind of meds on this tank before, though I have used that medication on another tank with no issues, but that tank's water isn't as soft). Anyway, any advice would be very welcome just now! :cry:

Cheers guys.
 

zeebo

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hi bug, while i am not an expert here, i dont think you lost all your filter media as you are not showing nitrItes and the amonia ,which is concerinig , is not super high as it would be if you were cycling again. Not sure, possible a little disruption in the media from the meds or the filter cleaning , but I would keep an eye on the amonia ,continue using prime, and I would test the nitrItes for a few days ,, just to be sure this is not a cycle. If it is a mini cycle, ,using prime and doing wc's will help, but the fish should not be stessed out, except the more fragile kinds. If you have small amounts of amonia, try to let it ride a few days , using Prime , then do a wc, see if it levels out to 0.

Perhaps others could correct me if there is a better way.

Good luck, keep us informed,
Georgie
 

boogaloo

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Hi, thanks for getting back to me. Ammonia was 0.25 / 0.5ppm last night, so I changed 10%. I also moved in a mature filter sponge from another tank (it's a Juwel combo sized sponge, not a jumbo that this tank takes, but hey, I figured it was worth a try to try to kick start things a bit) - I wedged it in the middle of the filter.

At 6am this morning the ammonia was 0.5ppm, so I've changed 20% and put in 2 capfuls of Prime, so at least I know the tank will be OK while I'm at work. Nitrite still at 0, no change there.

I'll test again tonight, do a 10% water change if I have to, and I was also planning to move some filter media from a different tank (I have a few tanks runnning) into the eHeim, to see if I can start getting the bacteria to re-colonise that too. I also have a Huey Hung air-driven sponge running (which my poor hungry plec was trying to eat last night), so hopefully the bacteria will start taking hold soon. I read somewhere that the bacteria effectively doubles every 24 hours - I really hope that is true!

The down side is that I'm tired, my back is getting sore and my hubby is complaining about the lack of hot water, but at least my fish are all OK at the moment, if a bit hungry and suspicious of the mad woman who keeps disrupting their tank! Hopefully the filters will start to recover soon.
 

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some meds do state to use half dose on tetras and plecs. I would state that you have had a mini cycle. I would replace some media withe new media and add a sponge filter for a couple of weeks. Monitor and good luck. I would also try to get something like Nutrafin Cycle. good luck and hope all ok cheers jk :thumbup:
 

zeebo

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:lol: yep, me too, my plecs think i am the mad chick invading their tank anytime i have a serious concern.

well, seems like you have this all hammered out now , glad to hear !

Georgie
 

boogaloo

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Well, I think I'm making some progress now. The eheim 2217 filter has two bags of ceramic media in it and I managed to replace one of these with media taken from two other tanks last night. The ammonia level has remained at 0.25/0.5ppm for the past 48 hours, even though I've been reducing the amount of water I'm changing every day, so I hope that means the bacteria is starting to kick in now. Nitrite is still 0 and fish seem OK. Fingers crossed I'll get a negative ammonia reading soon!
 

boogaloo

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Well, looks like I'm almost there. I did a 10% water change last night, but haven't done one today or added any Prime (I also fed the fish last night). I've been testing every 12 hours this week, and have finally seen the levels go down today even without a water change - the ammonia is almost negative now and there's no sign of nitrite.

I suspect I have lost a neon, who had been looking very frail for a few weeks and I can't find the wee soul tonight, but all the other fish seem absolutely fine, so hopefully that's things settling down now. :)