BN fry dying off

bikerman6660

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After many sucessfull spawns my fry are dying as soon as they leave the cave. They look really healthy when first released but within a few days die off. I,ve tried all the normal, checking parameters, waterchanges etc. I,ve treat for whitespot as a precaution although none evedent. Anyone come across this before?
 

macvsog23

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Normaly this is as FF said a build of bacteria in the substrate.
Mainly cused by old food the problem is if you feed less they starve
I clean out my tanks after a few spawns if I can.
 

denny

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i agree with ff and 23, bactery , poor water condition- makes so bbiigg problem to the baby.
i ussualy change 15% water daily, and watch what the food is given to.
 

foti

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see i would say it the white spot treatment!
thats a big no-no never treat/medicate unless needed and if so make sure its the right treatment for the problem!

before we all jump on to bacteria as the fault as all do,
tell us what the fry looked like before they died?

add plants they will absorb amonia that is in the water even if your water is perfict they will help in spikes

i do not recomend treating whight spot on bn unless they have it! even so i would use 1/5th of the recomended dose.



regards
Foti
 

bikerman6660

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Thanks for the replys.
They are in bare tanks one pair to 25 gall cube tank
Plenty of filtration and aeration
Suspected bacteria at one stage so scrubbed the floor etc regularly and also have a good water change regime of 20% three times per week with filtered water.
I have another tank where the same is happening which has a substrate on the tank bottom.
The fry look superb when they leave the cave really healthy but then just start dying off almost immediately.
Understand the comments re white spot treatment but treat for that as a precaution as I couldn,t think what to do next:wb:
 

foti

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your water sounds great and you water changes more than enough so i would say that you need to help us out with the
water parameters?
filtration type and amount?
food you feed?
temp?
if you could take a picture of your fish or whole tank it could help?
maybe not?

could you advise us if the fry stay with there parants or do you move them?

there is something! just need to start at the begining to work your way to the problem


king regards
Foti
 
Bare bottom tanks hold bacteria closer to fry so a small layer of substract helps here.
If the males breed repeatly he lose's condition so he's waste that the fry eat won't have enough good stuff for fry to eat.
If the tank has had a few spawns thought it before the tank mighten have enought small algaes to feed of causing the fry to starve.( more surfaces algae can grow the better )

Some ideas to improve fry chances is to feed more often in smaller amounts,
add small layer of substrate (first clean bottom glass with a scruber and suck out all film build up,give male a 2 month break and feed up.

Filters and powerheads as long as they are working don't make alot of difference with BN's as long as it can handle the bioload of the tank load of fry.( i've had up to 600 in a 3 ft and not alot of current )

Main thing in in fish keeping is the water conditions,change often if fry present,10- 20 % daily for heavy load,ph to be stable,keep records to see if your doing something wrong.

Extra things that can help is to have driftwood in a bucket in the sun than keep swaping with the tank one's if limited room.( i use 20 small to medium pieces in most tanks )
Buy organic vegatables or grow your own and use a veried diet.

I tend to leave all fry in main breeding tanks with parents, ( commons ) in tank with parents i just remove male from tank when male needs resting,
i have had all most 1000 fry in some tanks and still doesn't effect breeding results.
I have mollies in tanks to help in breeding if this is in help for others.( the mollies have been in tanks for years and have lived happy down to ph's as low as 5.6 )
 

Irene0100

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maybe they are not eating properly, can you add some nice aglae coated rocks, prepared in another tank? or try micro worms or similar?
try adding some golden apple snails, they help to clean the glass surface and add some useful microorganisms that feed fry
 

bikerman6660

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Thanks for this some useful ideas here. i have another spawn from a pair in an identical tank with a substrate so I am waiting with interest to see what happens