Come across these lovely little guys and would love some help with the ID.
http://www.tropicalfish.org.uk/c113.jpg
Thanks
Elaine
http://www.tropicalfish.org.uk/c113.jpg
Thanks
Elaine
ID please !
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Ok I will have a crack at it Elaine.
Barbatus?
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=26
I am probably wrong as I dont have the first idea about cories. Very nice fish you have
Cheers
thegeeman
Barbatus?
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=26
I am probably wrong as I dont have the first idea about cories. Very nice fish you have
Cheers
thegeeman
These are likely to be CW38, C113 come from very remote parts so not often collected. CW38 have only recently been given this number as they were thought to be C113 but have been identified as 2 seperate species.
They enjoy cooler water and are very stunning as adults.
Here is a pic of my CW38 for comparison.
They enjoy cooler water and are very stunning as adults.
Here is a pic of my CW38 for comparison.
Thanks for the pic Gem400, a gorgeous specimen !!
I was thinking along those lines myself. What is the difference between the C113 and CW38 ? To the untrained eye they look very alike .
The seller did say they were quite rare, and he thought he was the only one who had them atm. Do you think there's any chance they are in fact C113 ? I'm not too sure what distinguishing marks I should be looking for in C113.
Either way I like them and intend buying a little group.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
I was thinking along those lines myself. What is the difference between the C113 and CW38 ? To the untrained eye they look very alike .
The seller did say they were quite rare, and he thought he was the only one who had them atm. Do you think there's any chance they are in fact C113 ? I'm not too sure what distinguishing marks I should be looking for in C113.
Either way I like them and intend buying a little group.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
I'm a bit confused by this myself. But some info I have been reading from keepers of both sp is that many of the fish imported as C113 in recent years have in fact been CW38 and that C113 are possibly unobtainable in the wild at the moment. There are keepers/breeders of true C113 in the uk and I've seen them for sale at the last CGC auction. From memory I think that C113 has more of a metallic green stripe down the back than CW38 but I may be wrong.
CW38 is readily available on the auction circuit around Yorkshire as they are bred by local man/multiple cory breeder Mark walters which is where my group come from.
This is a vid of my CW38 when they were tiddlers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAnRPrjOfEU
CW38 is readily available on the auction circuit around Yorkshire as they are bred by local man/multiple cory breeder Mark walters which is where my group come from.
This is a vid of my CW38 when they were tiddlers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAnRPrjOfEU
C and CW no's
The above fish are off the barbatus group, C113 and CW38 maywell be the same fish, C no's are the 1st type of label system for corries similar to L'nos and LDA no's for plecs.
CW are no's are used by Ian Fullars Cordoras World (1st letters of each word= CW) website and generally are cory's described by him, I feel its another labelling system which will grow the same as L'no and LDA no's
The above fish are off the barbatus group, C113 and CW38 maywell be the same fish, C no's are the 1st type of label system for corries similar to L'nos and LDA no's for plecs.
CW are no's are used by Ian Fullars Cordoras World (1st letters of each word= CW) website and generally are cory's described by him, I feel its another labelling system which will grow the same as L'no and LDA no's
well they look really good - are they asking loads of money?
if reasonable then go for them!
if you buy them and they are barbatus, be aware that they like cooler temps than typical community tanks. I lost some because there was not enough accurate info around about them then.
if reasonable then go for them!
if you buy them and they are barbatus, be aware that they like cooler temps than typical community tanks. I lost some because there was not enough accurate info around about them then.
I've just read on another forum that these are the real deal. They are english bred, just over 7 months old and are true C113.
Cheers
Gemma.
Cheers
Gemma.
they also like the cooler water and are basically a Scleromystax from a different catchment area, prob all off the barbatus strain
C113
Like Gemma says, the fish in the start of the thread are C113, sold by Trimar, supplied by a breeder in Bolton.
I've been breeding the very similar CW038 for a few years, the differences are subtle between the two species. My CW038 have very dark, almost black colouration and distinctive green-gold 'lazer' back markings. The pectorals of the males extend down the sides, almost to the caudal. I've got some 1 year old C113 which are very similar, although I would say a bit lighter in colouration.
The C113 strain and my CW038 strain have been examined and verified as distinctive species by H G-E and Mr. Fuller.
The fish in the later post could be CW038 again purely because it appears to be more commonly available than the true C113, although its very difficult to say.
If I knew how to submit images I'd post some pics.
Cracking fish, although don't necessarily keep them as cool as barbatus, the C113 types come from the Bahia region of Brazil which is a bit warmer than Rio or Sao Paulo (where the similar S. kronei is found).
Cheers,
Mark.
Like Gemma says, the fish in the start of the thread are C113, sold by Trimar, supplied by a breeder in Bolton.
I've been breeding the very similar CW038 for a few years, the differences are subtle between the two species. My CW038 have very dark, almost black colouration and distinctive green-gold 'lazer' back markings. The pectorals of the males extend down the sides, almost to the caudal. I've got some 1 year old C113 which are very similar, although I would say a bit lighter in colouration.
The C113 strain and my CW038 strain have been examined and verified as distinctive species by H G-E and Mr. Fuller.
The fish in the later post could be CW038 again purely because it appears to be more commonly available than the true C113, although its very difficult to say.
If I knew how to submit images I'd post some pics.
Cracking fish, although don't necessarily keep them as cool as barbatus, the C113 types come from the Bahia region of Brazil which is a bit warmer than Rio or Sao Paulo (where the similar S. kronei is found).
Cheers,
Mark.
Its ok Andrew, Mac is recovery from Pig flu and I think snorting the tamiflu tabs has caved his brain in abit.
thegeeman
They are probably CW38, C113 lack the green gold stripe along the back and are quite rare in the hobby.
There are also husbandry differences to be aware of.
CW38 are a cool temperature species and should be kept around 65ºF to 75ºF (18ºC to 24ºC) C113 on the other hand is a black water species coming from further north 21ºC - 23ºC (70ºF - 74ºF).
Another species to consider is Scleromystax lacerdai, these are a lot smaller than the other two, growing to around 50.0 mm SL
Ian
There are also husbandry differences to be aware of.
CW38 are a cool temperature species and should be kept around 65ºF to 75ºF (18ºC to 24ºC) C113 on the other hand is a black water species coming from further north 21ºC - 23ºC (70ºF - 74ºF).
Another species to consider is Scleromystax lacerdai, these are a lot smaller than the other two, growing to around 50.0 mm SL
Ian