My lesbian angels are not lesbians after all?

[everythingzen]

So I've got 2 angels, one of which is absolutely a female. The other looks female but acts like a male. She's territorial and a cranky butt. I've been looking at moving her because she upsets the peace with one fish in particular, but now she and the female have gone and laid eggs (again). She has a slight bump on her forehead and is slimmer than the female, but until this morning they have never let me get a good photo to find the answer once and for all. 2 females wouldn't keep on laying eggs would they, by the way? Their other eggs have never fertilised, but they're really only reaching maturity now. I got them when they were rather itty bitty and now they're typical angelfish monsters. Anyway, enough yakking, can you guys advise on gender at all?
Sorry for the number of pics, too. I wanted to be sure their parts were clear enough. Thanks loves!

 

[Mooo]

Congrats...Aren't you glad you were wrong, it is really hard to sex angels ..

 

[bigbird]

maybe you have 2 females, as the eggs never fertilize ? Hope though you have a pair. Have any eggs hatched ? cheers jk :thumbup:

 

[Art_Gal]

The second photo looks like a male imo. I have a pair that spawn every 7 to 10 days yet the eggs are never fertilized. He used to try to fertilize them, now he has completely stopped trying and he just eats the eggs immediately.

 

[ccole]

either way mate you have a couple of beautiful fish! respect

 

[mpfsr]

do the eggs go white in 24hours?? if not then they are being fertilized witch would mean male..:clap:

mine just had there first batch of eggs make it to wigglers..was there 4th try

GL with em very nice looking angels:thumbup:

 

[jessonthenet]

Yeah but doesn't a male go over the eggs to fertilize them where a female wouldn't? Then it should be obvious if you have a male.

 

[Brengun]

I had a sneaky male who would cruise over the eggs to fertilize when the female was looking, and have a little snack on the eggs when she wasnt looking.

 

[everythingzen]

Haha, they're terrible parents aren't they!

Thanks guys, and for the compliments too. The striped one, who I suspect is actually male, is getting crankier as time goes on. I'm only weeks now from having the new 55 set up and they can go straight in there once it is finished! I also hope to grab the next lot of eggs before they eat them as only a few turned white this time. During the second night into the 3rd day one of them had cleaned the pipe of every single egg. Little ratbags!

But thank you, all. I am fairly confident the striped one is definitely male. He never looked it before, but that really might have been due to his immaturity. Also, it seemed a fair few eggs did get fertalised before they were eaten, so that can only mean one thing

 

[Art_Gal]

The striped angelfish has a farily large hump on his head, which is a dead giveaway that he's a male. Also, his papilla is quite pointy which is another indication that he's a male. The females papilla is much more blunt looking. Sometimes it takes them several tries to get it right. I've raised angelfish babies in the past and it was a LOT of work. Now I see eggs and I pull them before they hatch. I'm not ready to go down the road again. I recently put a new male into my 20 g with my lone female. I thought he was still too young to spawn but I was wrong. They paired up and within 6 days of adding him to the tank they had a bunch of fertilized eggs on their first try....which I pulled. When I get back from vacation I may let them give it another try and I'll see if they would parent raise.

 

[everythingzen]

That hump hasn't been very obvious until recent months. I always wondered if he was male, but I wasn't familiar enough with sexing them. I put pictures up on another fish site and only one other person thought he was male also. It's great to know for certain though!
Thanks everyone