Thanks for your input, I suspect a girl also, but being new to pleco's I can't be sure, And yes it is a nice fish, the colours has really darken up now he/she has settled in and looks a lot better, the orange are really nice oranges and the blacks stand out a lot now. I will try and get a better photo of the underside, Problem is that it lives in a 6ft tank now so it might be awhile before I get a chance to snap a photo of it.