Something's Wrong With My Pleco?

gelahope

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My husband and I are just casual fish owners, we have never really paid any attention to water chemical balances or done any breeding or anything - we don't even really know the gender of our fish. But now I realize that this has been a mistake, since we have lost 2 fish already and now I am worried about my pleco. I joined this community to learn as much as I can, but for right now I just need to figure out what is wrong with it!

A few days ago we noticed its mouth getting kinda puffy, and it has only gotten worse since then. I can't tell if it's a fungus or growth or an injury. It's still acting like its old self except for the fact that it's having a harder time suctioning to the glass. Besides this, it also has like a sickly greenish hue on its back. I tried looking up pictures for something similar to this but haven't found anything. ANY help would be much appreciated! Thank you!
 

zeebo

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yeah, his mouth looks a bit gnarly, but cant say what is going on. Pehaps if you give members your tank/water readings , and what other fish you lost , you filter type, your water maintence schedule, it may help members , but they may have seen this before and know what is up, meantime, please post your readings what other fish you now have in there . HTH,
 

ccole

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Totally agree with Zeebo-never seen it before but all readings etc would really be helpful.have you changed what you have been feeding them? Have you got pictures of your other fish before they died or at last a description of any changes they had before they died? Its only an idea but could your beautiful pleco have eaten the dead fish ?

Don't take your time over trying to sort this out because he may look ok now but tomorrow might be another thing.

Cc
 

gelahope

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I don't have a water testing kit or whatever it is you need to get water readings, though I am planning to invest in one. Its current tankmates are a golden dojo loach and a platy, which have been in there with it since Day 1. The ones that died were another platy (which died from Dropsy) and an angelfish. I will admit that it is possible that Nessie (my Pleco's name) could have nibbled on the dead Angelfish because he didn't realize that it had died overnight and we didn't discover it until the morning. I haven't changed their diet at all, and the only real tank maintenance we do is a 25% water change once every week or two plus "slime" is what my husband calls it but I'm not really sure what it is... Something that takes the chlorine out of tap water I guess. Besides cleaning out the filter regularly, that's about it. I'm thinking about getting some Melafix or Pimafix since I have read some on those - do you guys think that would help things? Thanks for all the responses!
 

gelahope

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Looks like lymphocystis. There isn't really a cure. It usually comes and goes on its own though there have been some who have sucessfully performed surgery to remove it, though I wouldn't recommend it. Making sure water quality is kept optimum should help.

http://www.plecoplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2930
This sounds a lot like what may have happened. Shortly before it got all damaged-looking, my pleco had something that looked like 3 enlarged nodules in her mouth. Then a couple days later it started looking like the pictures above - so that probably was when they burst open. Hopefully. How should I treat this? Because surgery is just not gonna happen.
 

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not being an expert, I agree with Lornek.
I would add an airstone
I wold make sure water quality is at its best
I would take a water sample and maybe even get your local fish store (LFS) to test is, they usually do it for free or a couple of dollars
By all means maybe add some twin fixes. Also check your water temp.
I would not add new fish for about 4weeks. cheers jk :thumbup:
 

Lornek8

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This sounds a lot like what may have happened. Shortly before it got all damaged-looking, my pleco had something that looked like 3 enlarged nodules in her mouth. Then a couple days later it started looking like the pictures above - so that probably was when they burst open. Hopefully. How should I treat this? Because surgery is just not gonna happen.
Ensure that you keep the tank clean, do water changes more often & make sure you gravel vacuum often & thoroughly. The fix-it twins (Tetra melafix & pimafix) while not shown to be a cure can't hurt & can help with keeping a secondary infection from occurring. The fish that become infected usually can live with the ailment seemingly unaffected and often the condition just gets better on its own. The disease is viral so there is no real cure. Its just got to run its course, kinda like chickenpox in humans.

The greenishthing on its abck sounds liek it might be more of a pressing issue. Can you get pictures?
 

Lornek8

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I don't see anything in the picture out of the ordinary. Was it another color earlier? The banding (light/dark) is typically a stress-related coloration. Has it always had this coloration?
 

gelahope

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Yeah, it normally is a darker brown/black color. I actually just noticed the light/dark pattern the other day. Could it be just the stress from the lymphocystis or is something else wrong?
 

Lornek8

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Yeah, it normally is a darker brown/black color. I actually just noticed the light/dark pattern the other day. Could it be just the stress from the lymphocystis or is something else wrong?
It could be due to the lymphocystis or it could be a sign of another problem which also caused the lympocystis to flare. You mentioned two other deaths, these too could also be from the same issue. Sounds like probably a water quality issue is causing stress to the fish and some are either becoming sick and/or succumbing to the stress. If you could get a water test at a local pet store and/or provide information as to how you maintain your tank and what your tank setup is like would go a long wat to helping everyone understand whats going on.
 

gelahope

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Ok, I got a water testing kit today. I have NO idea what these readings mean, since I am just a beginner so ANY tips at all will be helpful. If something is off, please tell me what i can do to fix it.

GH: 180
KH: 240
pH: 8.0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 0

Also here's a bit of background. We just moved about 2 and a half weeks ago. During the move we put the fish in a cooler until we could put them back in their tank. Well the tank BUSTED during the move if you can believe it, and we didn't have the money to replace it at the time. So they ended up having to live out of the cooler for almost an entire week. It got super nasty in there, I tried doing water changes but it didn't really seem to help any, then finally we lost our Angelfish. (The platy had died months before this - like I said, due to Dropsy). I don't know if this information helps any, but there you go anyway.

I put the "fix-it twins" like Lornek called them in there today as well, so I am hoping that helps. Also added an air stone like someone else suggested, and I'm attempting to add algae wafers to my pleco's diet since before I was feeding both my bottom feeders shrimp pellets - which I have come to realize through research that plecos prefer veggies. So there you have it. Thanks for all your help so far, let me know if there's anything else I can do to improve things, and I will keep you all posted on Nessie's progress.
 

Lornek8

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The problems are most likely associated with living out of the cooler. Hope you didn't pay for the water test as had we known that the tank was just set up recently I'd had said to not do the test as it'd tell us little. Having again just recently set up the tank you need to be careful with feeding and should feed very lightly to begin. The filter in the tank helps maintain water quality but needs to become established to be effective. This takes time. There are articles that you should read and when I get onto a desktop I'll post links.
 

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that last information would have saved us all at least 4days of writting and helping you. If you only have had the set up for 1week, then your filter is definately not seeded and ready to go. Follow the advice from Lornek, but in future, we are here to help and that info would have been vital for us. cheers and good luck jk :thumbup:
 

ccole

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Hi gala,

I agree with above-
How comes you didn't tel us about the cooler thing before? I do understand how easy it is when starting out learning anything new to decide what is and is not relevant but quickly learned it is better to say lots of unimportant things and let more experienced people pick out the bits they need to know (not saying I am the experienced party)

Also regarding the water test, though like Lorne said it didn't tell us anything at the moment what is important is that you go on the net and research aquarium water chemistry use those exact words and it will bring up loads of Web pages with relevant information) then when your filter is established (say in 2 to 3 weeks) then you will have the facts you need to know prior to getting the results from further water tests.

Get yourself a water testing kit-they do cost a bit of money but you can't be in the hobby without it, well you can but your fish won't be healthy or live long.there are lots or opinions about what kit is best in my opinion and wasted cash lol I always go for the liquid testing kits.

Well done for noticing the changes in your pleco it's obvious you care, just make sure in the future you do all the research before you buy fish to save you and the fish the high blood pressure.

respect
Cc
 

zeebo

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hi gala, been following this thread , so members are just trying to let you know that anything, even something you may think is insignificant, could be very important in deciphering the problem . So we see your tank has not finished cycling, a common mistake with new fishkeepers, especially if you purchase your fish at a local pet store or chain. They won't tell you it takes a month to cycle your tank and establish good bacteria before the tank is safe for fish because most people are not willing to wait ,they just want fish and the chain stores just want to sell fish, they dont care if a tank is ready for fish , or what kind of tankmates it will have or how big the tank is in comparisson to how big the fish will get..as i said, they just want customers to walk out that door with a purchase. So , if i may, you will need to read up on the nitrification cycle, and once it is complete, never clean ANYTHING , filters, or even add new tap water before removing chlorine if you have it in your tap . Always use used tank water when rinsing filters and add Prime or another chlorine/chloramide remover to the tank before adding new water , after vacuuming ,etc. Another suggestion is to mapquest your zip code asking for nearest aquarium only stores, and use them ,rather than the chains. They are soley in the business of selling fish/fish products and will be more helpful when purchasing fish and supplies. I can't imagine a'' fish only'' store allowing a customer to purchase these guys for an uncycled tank. They will be more helpful. As mentioned, you should seriously consider purchasing an API MASTER TEST KIT, liquid drops, not the strips, as you will need to keep an eye on your water. Also, as members mentioned ,water quality is of the utmost importance when keeping fish in an aquarium. You can imagine, in the wild, the lakes, rivers , get rain, and are much larger, whereas an aquarium is a box and becomes the fishes' home and toilet . That is why members are concerned with water changes and vacuums. As for now , try to read up on the cycle so you understand what is happening in your tank , and how to deal with it. If you are not using RO water or on well water, you need to purchase Prime or other similar. We see you want your fish to live and have asked how to help, so now you are on your way with all the advice from members here... good luck and keep us informed...sorry this was so long .