Hypancistrus ID
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First 2 pics I would happily say 316. I have some that are just thinking about breeding and have almost lost their white lines. Oh and these hypans get very hairy
The third pic not sure as its a crap pic. The last one is silverdubs pic and there has been many ideas over the Id but with the usual Silverdub high quality pics we have know idea
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thegeeman
The third pic not sure as its a crap pic. The last one is silverdubs pic and there has been many ideas over the Id but with the usual Silverdub high quality pics we have know idea
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thegeeman
L318 doesnt exsist as far as I am aware. Irene is probably correct in young L66
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thegeeman
Need better pics to make sure that the first fish is 316. The second looks like a lower, and the third, something in the 333/66 complex.
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just scanning old posts.....L318 does exist and is a hypancistrus. funny thing is it looks like a L333 L316 similar pattern and body shape.
but yes it does exist.
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yeps
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L318 Hypancistrus SP
Brazil Rio Jari (border between the states of Par'a and Amap'a)
Length 8-10cm
very similar to the L316, but has a different colouration. In L316the basic colour is dark grey, in L318 a cloudy, much lighter grey. The white markings on the body are in sharp contrast to the basic colour in L316, in L318 the white markings are less contrasting.
I also believe that L318 is slightly larger then L316 and with a stronger pattern of white striping.(close to the stripes of QA L260 and L411)..rather than the L316 thick stripes and spottedness. (like the L333)
That's as much info I can get at the moment. I will be having a look at some lists and I will see if I can get any.
Profile info taken from aqualog
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L318 Hypancistrus SP
Brazil Rio Jari (border between the states of Par'a and Amap'a)
Length 8-10cm
very similar to the L316, but has a different colouration. In L316the basic colour is dark grey, in L318 a cloudy, much lighter grey. The white markings on the body are in sharp contrast to the basic colour in L316, in L318 the white markings are less contrasting.
I also believe that L318 is slightly larger then L316 and with a stronger pattern of white striping.(close to the stripes of QA L260 and L411)..rather than the L316 thick stripes and spottedness. (like the L333)
That's as much info I can get at the moment. I will be having a look at some lists and I will see if I can get any.
Profile info taken from aqualog
This is a snip from a post by Cup that had mixed reception lol
"Depending on who you ask, the original DATZ photos on 318 are in fact an Alenquer hypancistrus...probably one of those listed as 401. It is possible that the mix up came from exporter miscommunications in belem. Therefore, pretty much all animals being listed as 318 are 411s (per aqualog mix up), and 401s. The fish largely hailed as L-318 by much of the community these days is an animal that looks very similar to 411, but with far fewer lines. I'm no sure whether this was the same species as the "holotype" or not, but whatever (it looks to me like 401 also)."
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thegeeman
"Depending on who you ask, the original DATZ photos on 318 are in fact an Alenquer hypancistrus...probably one of those listed as 401. It is possible that the mix up came from exporter miscommunications in belem. Therefore, pretty much all animals being listed as 318 are 411s (per aqualog mix up), and 401s. The fish largely hailed as L-318 by much of the community these days is an animal that looks very similar to 411, but with far fewer lines. I'm no sure whether this was the same species as the "holotype" or not, but whatever (it looks to me like 401 also)."
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thegeeman
Like Lisa, i would ask more why they wouldn't exist:dk:
they are listed in aqualog, PC, and Datz
edit, dont worry, you already answered lol
Just going by what I have read. I also found a thread on pc somewhere that stated 316 and 318 are the same fish but I cant find it at the moment.
Under 316 on PC
http://www.planetcatfish.com/catelog/species.php?species_id=1055
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thegeeman
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Here's the final word on the matter, afaik:
"The problem with that L-number is that DATZ and Aqualog from beginning shows 2 different species, from the first presentation in DATZ I thought that L318 was the same as L333 H. sp "New Alenquer" and I am 99,99% sure.
Aqualog has a picture of Hypancistrus sp "Monte Dourado" as L318 and this species is today L411, DATZ has a picture showing Hypancistrus sp "New Alenquer" as L318 and this species is today L401. I have an idea why it got so wrong for the "Germans", both these species was sometimes mixed from the local supplier to the exporter in Belém and from there they was often shipped as one species in the beginning. After a while when they "discovered" they was 2 species L333 H. sp "New Alenquer" and the second as L318 H. sp, some time after that the real discussion started which species they was. So L318 that was and still exports from Brazil is usual L411 and L333 "New Alenquer" is usual L401, the best thing would not to use L318 at all as L-number at least from the exporters."
It does exist, sort of, but no one will probably ever get a pair. Seidel's recent book has a pic of what is currently considered to be 318. Looks actually somewhat similar to 411, but most certainly different fish.
"The problem with that L-number is that DATZ and Aqualog from beginning shows 2 different species, from the first presentation in DATZ I thought that L318 was the same as L333 H. sp "New Alenquer" and I am 99,99% sure.
Aqualog has a picture of Hypancistrus sp "Monte Dourado" as L318 and this species is today L411, DATZ has a picture showing Hypancistrus sp "New Alenquer" as L318 and this species is today L401. I have an idea why it got so wrong for the "Germans", both these species was sometimes mixed from the local supplier to the exporter in Belém and from there they was often shipped as one species in the beginning. After a while when they "discovered" they was 2 species L333 H. sp "New Alenquer" and the second as L318 H. sp, some time after that the real discussion started which species they was. So L318 that was and still exports from Brazil is usual L411 and L333 "New Alenquer" is usual L401, the best thing would not to use L318 at all as L-number at least from the exporters."
It does exist, sort of, but no one will probably ever get a pair. Seidel's recent book has a pic of what is currently considered to be 318. Looks actually somewhat similar to 411, but most certainly different fish.