Gravel vs sand for plecos?

Qba

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whats better for plecos?? sand or gravel?

I know they like to play in the sand and thats why I really would prefer it but what about cleaning all their poops from it? Is it hard to clean so much poop from sand?

Is it easier to clean their poop from the gravel?

Thanks.
 

macvsog23

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This question is best answered by the fish.
Many fish have sound reasons why they would prefer one form of substrate over another.
Some fish need to burry in a soft sand due to several reasons , some use this burrowing to await prey some to hide during daylight ,and some just find it easyer to feed in soft sand.
Some fish need fine gravel for the same reasons apart from hiding in, they have mouths developed to “Pick” out food or plant matter.
Many fish have developed spawning habits that need a certain substrate or decoration.
My self before setting up a tank I read and check all information on the fish I wish to keep / breed and then I go about setting up the tank to fit the needs of the fish.

I am lucky in that I can have several tanks but for my main tank in my house I use fine gravel.
You also need to think about plants some plants can’t grow in sand so a pot with the plant placed in along with a media that will assist growth can be a solution.
The main problem with sand is it will pack and allow the growth of bacteria, having said this keeping the sand as a thin layer or disturbing it at regular opportunities is a solution.


Ok now let me explain about poo in my tanks.

I have never vacuumed or removed Poo or any waste for that matter dead leaves, plant matter, old food, dead snails or any thing.
I breed mainly Hypans and would not say I am a very experienced or successful breeder but I have a few Species/ variants / L Numbers under my belt.
I always have quite a lot of mulm in my tanks; I do however have massive filtration ie an Eheim 2128 on a 2 foot tank an Eheim 2324 on a 18” tank. Along with a power head with a large foam filter pad that I change weekly. This seems to break down the waste.

I empty my tanks around every 3 months to remove all the fry and move them to grow on tanks.
I do not believe poo is a problem or needs to be cleaned up removed. Once the Ammonia and other components have been “neutralised” by the nitrification process of the filters its only harmless gunk in my opinion.
I only clean my filters once a year and that id to remove the sand or small gravel from them, the media baskets get a rinse out in a bucket of tank water and the foams get changed for new ones.
I do believe if you get a balance right you don’t have to clean up or vacuum in any way.
Small fish loads ie 2 foot tank with 6 x 2” Hypans at the most, feed once a week and daily when you have fry. 10% water changes a day using RO and HMA mix.
I have never had any problems and I prefer to concentrate on getting the tank to mimic nature.
 

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I agree, depending on the Ls. My L333 tank was set up with black gravel...but find that the L333 do not like this. So tommorrow I am placing my colony into the quarantine tank for 2 weeks, while I set up my new tank with slate and silica sand. I used to have them in silica sand and moved them to gravel, but no realise and see they do not like this set up. I agree you also need a great filter system and do not overfeed. Remember in the wild, they do not get food daily as they have to catch it etc. cheers jk :thumbup:
 

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Is my question so complicated or something?

I want to know which is better for my pleco tank; sand or gravel?

Is it hard to clean poop from sand?? I heard that sand can grow bacteria, and i sometimes go away for a few weeks, so would that be a problem also?
 
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Ithe answers you have been given not explaining why sand and gravel have good and bad reasons to be used?
 

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If your problem is cleaning then a bare bottom tank may help.
If large amounts of waste are collecting and you not over stocked or over feeding and your filtration is right may I sugest looking at what type of pleco you have and the diet.

The answers you have had on this and other forums are quite indeth and explain what substrate is for and one thing is is not for is to look good it serves a reason depending on the type of fhish and the type of plants the reason will differ.
AND PLECOS are not just one type of fish they have differing needs and conditions.
 

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Oh and I do not just leve the waste my sytem is balanced to remove the waste.
naturaly yours is not so you need to clean up this waste?
 

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Hi all,
Is my question so complicated or something? I want to know which is better for my pleco tank; sand or gravel? Is it hard to clean poop from sand?? I heard that sand can grow bacteria, and i sometimes go away for a few weeks, so would that be a problem also?
No need to shout, your question is actually quite complicated as there are a lot of factors that influence the choice of substrate.

Forum members have been kind enough to reply to your post, the least you can do is read what they have written. You may not find the advice you have been given very useful, but at least one of the posters is a very experienced and successful Plec. keeper and breeder, and at least one other well known in dwarf cichlid circles, and personally I would be very interested in any of their answers.

Sand is probably easier to keep clean than gravel, as the poo sits on top, rather than falling between the grains. If you don't have plants you are probably best with a thin layer. Have a look here: <http://www.plecoplanet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7902> but I'll post my comments below.
If the tank is planted and/or you have MTS sand is fine. You don't need to vacuum through it, just suck the poo and rubbish off the top. If you have a lot of flow you might find that fine gravel is better as the sand tends to blow around the tank. I always have a sponge on the intake for externals so sand in the filter isn't a problem for me. I now tend to mix coarse sand and fine gravel, and then the current deposits the sand in the areas where the flow is lower and leaves the gravel where there is more flow. If there is still a bare spot of glass on the bottom I put a rock, or some cobbles, there, so it is just like a real river.

I wouldn't go bare bottom unless you are really good at water management, as a substrate adds biological filtration potential and usually makes water parameters more stable. With bare bottom you also need to clean the bottom fairly regularly (with a green nylon scrim or similar).
cheers Darrel
 

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i use sand in both my tanks.easyer to clean and as long as u use a gravel cleaner to every now and again and keep it moved u should be ok.Ned my
L081 moves the sand around too :wb:,
ive also got tons of MTS to move my sand around for me :wb: