please help! breathging problems

ryannxs

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Hi i have 2 aquariums at my current address, in both tank the plecos and only the plecos are having a really hard time breathing?! kept these for years with no issues. both tanks have sufficiant filtration and areaiton.
parameters: tank1. ph 6.9, amonia 0 nitrites 0 nitrates 40 tds 310
tank 2 the same but ph 7
cant remember te gh ankh but they were well within limits? any sugestions?
 

scatz

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has the temperature gone up from the warm weather? the warmer the water, the less dissolved O2 it can hold, might be worth upping the O2 if possible mate
 

ryannxs

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thats what i thought, so last week took them down to 25c and yday done 60% water changes on both, what gets me is that its only affecting the plecos and the suaface agitation could sink the titanic! smaller tank is rio 300 with aditional fluval 4. both the fluval and the lewel filter are fitted with venturi. the big tank has an ehiem 2080 wich is imense! also fitted with a venturi. only thing i can think of is toxins in the water supply as i have moved so suply is different, only thing is im unfamilliar with toxins and which would cause the breathing issues
 

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I agree about the rising temp. I had the same a few days ago all my plecs were breathing really heavy even with lots of flow and aeration. I did a 25% wc with pure cold water and they were fine.
 

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Hi all,
only thing i can think of is toxins in the water supply as i have moved so suply is different, only thing is im unfamilliar with toxins and which would cause the breathing issues
Ryan if your water company have being doing water main work in your area they will have put a large dose of chloramine in your water supply. Even if you use a de-chlorinator, like Prime or Amquel, that de-toxicifies chloramine this will effect your biological filtration as the conversion of ammonia to nitrite and nitrate uses a lot of oxygen. We had a lot od cases of this in the winter after the big freeze.

What you have done, and what Doodles and DMAC have suggested is the best bet, unless you can get another water source and change the water with that. I use rain water, but I appreciate that not every-one has access to a relatively clean rain-water supply, could you get RO from some-one?

The other possibility would be to pre-treat the water with plants as thay will preferentially take up NH3 and stop it entering the filter.

The reason your plecs are effected is that they are from water that is clean and quick flowing naturally, this means that they have evolved in water supplies with lots of dissolved O2, and don't have tolerance to lower O2. The more rheophilic a Plec is, the more Oxygen it will need. If you have a highly rheophilic fish from cold water like a Salmon (or some of the Chaetosoma spp.), it will have a very high O2 requirement

If you had a Gibby or Common Plec in the tank they would be less effected as they come from water that can be oxygen depleted, and they can gulp air and extract the O2 from it like a Corydoras can.

cheers Darrel
 

ryannxs

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thats a great help, thanks for that and everyone whos commented, i think im gonna try ro water, see if that helps