co-tank breeding with bn's ? good bad ?

[foti]

i was interested to know if you guys think it to be a good idea to place my lf abn total 5 with my pepps bn total 6 which are in a 4 ft tank together?

reason being iv been breeding the lf abn in a tub but for some reason they have stopped for awile now ?

since there in a tub i cant really see what is going on ? daily water changes after a week or 2 i give them a good 50% change nothing that i can see ? there is alot of slat covering the top !

i even tried no water change 3 weeks and start big water changes from then nothing

so back to my question would they get along ?
breed?

thank you
p.s. would any of the pepps try eat the eggs of the the abn ?

 

[Lornek8]

There is always a risk of hybridization when housing species of the same family together.

Seems like quite a few fish for the tank size. Might cause some problems as territories are established.

 

[foti]

iv never heard of the peppermints and the lf abn ever crossing but yeah if fighting occurs its a big no then
and if they cross its a yes lol lf peppermint bn

 

[Irene0100]

ok to mix non Bns with BNs but to put two BN species together might be asking for big male fight!

 

[Lornek8]

iv never heard of the peppermints and the lf abn ever crossing but yeah if fighting occurs its a big no then
and if they cross its a yes lol lf peppermint bn

There's been talk about this cross for years. Thought of as a way to develop long-fin Pepps. Generally frowned upon by many but sooner or later its bound to happen.

 

[foti]

:fr:

 

[Ravyk]

There's been talk about this cross for years. Thought of as a way to develop long-fin Pepps. Generally frowned upon by many but sooner or later its bound to happen.

Yes there have been some interesting threads around the internet on PeppXCommon BN but no one has produced any photographic evidence of it actually occurring, apart from the 'my mate knows this guy who has...' type of evidence. :re:

 

[foti]

okay since we kinda went off topic if ! if this was to ocour what would be best
f lf /m pepp?
or other way
cause i got one real fat female lol male has just started to fan so she is ready should i put her in with pepps lol

 

[Ravyk]

sorry. I have two tanks with commons and pepps in both. None have bred yet though...I will be removing the pepps into a seperate tank when I have a free tank to try to breed them.

 

[Lornek8]

okay since we kinda went off topic if ! if this was to ocour what would be best
f lf /m pepp?
or other way
cause i got one real fat female lol male has just started to fan so she is ready should i put her in with pepps lol

Personally I don't support this idea at all. The world of plecs is jumbled enough as it is without people going about creating new hybrids, though there is conjecture that Australian Pepps are hybrids anyway. Obviously its your fish & you can do as you please. You could probably make a fair amount of money on it should you choose to as there is enough people out there that like novelty fish & don't care where the fish came from.

 

[foti]

:lol:
you sound a little upset :wb:
as for crossing il leave that up to others as for im not a fan! crossing fish (or cross breed) im sure this will always be a problem. my passion of fish keeping first started with African cichlids which cross easy and is a big no no

so im not a fan

as for the long fin i believe it is there genetics tho only in the wild they would not of survived as in captivity they can thrive? "Could be wrong"

i remember reading a post on pure breed dogs in the UK and how deformed they have become over there due to trying to keep the pedigree a true line ?
i would say this is a shame pics of dogs then and now completely different but called true / pure / pedigree

at the end of the day as long as no cross breed of fish is released back into the wild there should be no problem

and who knows if a cross will ever be able to re-prejudice or survive to adult hood due to some sort of disorder

p.s. my comint about placing my female in with pepps was a joke :wb: i cant wait for her to drop i would say this time easy over 100 she is masive

oh yea here the pepps are a cross very upseting i tried to find out there true Lno. on here not to long ago and that was the response they are crossed :dk: upseting !

 

[Ravyk]

Interesting...what are they supposed to be a cross between?

Off topic but be aware that the UK pedigree dogs is another whole can of worms. In a nutshell, they are some breeders who have bred their dogs to exaggerate certain traits but overall those breeders are a lot less common than those who breed dogs without those exaggerated traits. [I frequent a dog forum quite a bit]

 

[Lornek8]

Interesting...what are they supposed to be a cross between?

Off topic but be aware that the UK pedigree dogs is another whole can of worms. In a nutshell, they are some breeders who have bred their dogs to exaggerate certain traits but overall those breeders are a lot less common than those who breed dogs without those exaggerated traits. [I frequent a dog forum quite a bit]

It has been proposed that Peps are hybrids as they don't always necessarily exhibit traits common to the individual species. They have been thought to be a combination of any number of white-spotted black Ancistus.

 

[Ravyk]

Interesting, is that possibly why they can be notoriously difficult to breed?

 

[foti]

i dont beleive they are if there conditions are right and they are of the right AGE rather than size then they are as easy as the true lnumbers i guess !

 

[DJ-don]

i asked the same question last year around november to some people at planetcatfish
basically it was one against one but i found it was very helpful especially it was 2 notable fish keepers
http://www.planetcatfish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=28080