Hey guys I am looking at getting a trio of calicos the male is longfin and the females are shortfin, I am also looking to get a super red pair. If I cross the super red female and longfin calico male what percentage would I get longfin? Or is longfin recessive? Also what percent of calicos and super reds would I get from the batch? Is it a 50/50 chance for each breed? Thanks
Crossing Calico and Super Red?
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Aussies don't have super reds to experiment with 
Off the top of my head I'd say if you put the calico L/f over the red you'll probably result in 30% red & maybe 1-2% L/F red.
Off the top of my head I'd say if you put the calico L/f over the red you'll probably result in 30% red & maybe 1-2% L/F red.
Without knowing the genotype of the fish, it would be difficult to predict the outcome with just the information on the phenotype. Chances are you will end up with all normal looking brown ancistrus.
dont think its a good idea to try, these are not natural fish and as leisure-man says they may just revert to brown anyway.
Ok awesome thanks for the help. Assuming they're clean for a good bit down their line would they still revert back to common or would there be a chance I could have some crosses such as, longfin super red, longfin calico, shortfin super red, shortfin calico?
Not sure what you mean by clean. I know most of the so called 'Super Red' and 'Calico' do not breed true. That's why breeders usually have a mix of different kind for sale.
I mean like if they have stayed true to breeding only super red x super red for a dozen or so batches and the line hasn't been interfered with? I have read and had someone tell me he is breeding calico x super red for the same reason to get super red longfin and he has had some success so far
i honestly believe that you should breed with what you have and not mess around with nature. Either breed one or the other. Otherwise, you will introduce into this country a mixed breed that is not normal cheers jk :thumbup:
Pretty sure super reds are line bred calicos. Calicos that showed the darkest red and least black were bred together and so on.
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crossing any version of the line bred common bristlenose can result in many different things happening and can depend totally on which day of the year it was spawned on... bred albino x calico l/f and got 25% of each possible combination and same parents spawned 80% commons and 20% albino with no l/f's present... another time got all calicos 75% short fin... 25% long....
i was trying to develop a theory as what will happen but after proving myself wrong so many times i gave up....
its all chance when your mixing different line bred versions of the same species of fish....
i was trying to develop a theory as what will happen but after proving myself wrong so many times i gave up....
its all chance when your mixing different line bred versions of the same species of fish....
If I got some super red longfin and calico longfin in my batch and I were to pull them and breed them with other super red longfins and other calico longfins would I get some super red in there or would it purely be calico? Or vice versa with the super red?
I even had two albino BNs ended up with some brown mix in with albino fry. This told me that the BNs were hybridized as albino gene was recessive and the only way I get brown from breeding two albinos is that one or both of them was hybridized.
Like I said before, breeding super red together will get you a mix of fry including some super red. Calico has been known to throw a mix of different fry. You better have a plan on how to deal with all those brown BNs. As far as market for brown BNs, it is saturated beyond belief.
Like I said before, breeding super red together will get you a mix of fry including some super red. Calico has been known to throw a mix of different fry. You better have a plan on how to deal with all those brown BNs. As far as market for brown BNs, it is saturated beyond belief.
sorry i disagree with the hybridising theory purely because hybrid is crossing of two similar species but not the same... eg crossing electric yellow cichlid with electric blue... or crossing L333 with an L260.....
all the variations we have from the common bristlenose are the same species so crossing 2 albinos or albino/marble/common/super red is all from the same species... just line bred.....
i have had albino pairs that have bred true albino for years just suddenly throw out a few common bristlenose... and common bristlenose throw an albino and have also thrown marble/calico b/n.....
so it can be a bit like a lottery... you may never get what you want to create but sometimes it may happen when you least expect it too...
all the variations we have from the common bristlenose are the same species so crossing 2 albinos or albino/marble/common/super red is all from the same species... just line bred.....
i have had albino pairs that have bred true albino for years just suddenly throw out a few common bristlenose... and common bristlenose throw an albino and have also thrown marble/calico b/n.....
so it can be a bit like a lottery... you may never get what you want to create but sometimes it may happen when you least expect it too...
not only as I stated before do i disagree with crossbreeding, but what do you sell the offspring at ? You would then introduce a new none perfect strain into the system, which can in turn then contaminate the next breeders challange to breed. I would not do it, same as 260 and 333 cheers jk :thumbup:
So I decided to just stay with super reds. So I currently am going to have 8 super reds coming in next week. Once I have those 8 paired off and everything settled I was wondering if I by chance were to find a longfin either male or female if i could just switch them into a breeding pair? So if I were to have a female standard fin super red and male longfin super red what percentage of longfin or standard fin would I have?
It's hard to tell without knowing the exact genetics of both fish and no one knows exactly how the longfin gene works but I'm pretty certain that you will get some longfins but how many per batch I can't tell you
Now I know why you are trying to breed 'Super Red' to 'Calico'. There are currently no good LF 'Super Red' available on the market. If someone is selling them, they are actually inferior strains and not very clean 'Super Red' (with blackness, Calico patterns). To develop the LF 'Super Red', one will need to breed a SF 'Super Red' to a LF 'Calico'. Then breed the progenies to each others to get the LF 'Super Red'. Is a lot of work and there are a group of dedicated hobbyists in USA working on getting LF 'Super Red'. As far as I know they are still working on getting the blackness out of their LF 'Super Red' tails. They are marketing these 'Marble Super Red'. Maybe a couple more generations it will happen. Personally, I don't care for longfin fish of any type.