Help Breeding L134

[r33crayon]

Hi Guys,
Looking for any help or ideas anyone may have to get my L134's to breed. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I bought a adult breeding trio 12 months ago. At the time the seller had 2 trios for sale, now I am wishing I bought both as I am left wondering... what if the male/females in the other trio were the only ones that had bred, as they were all in the same tank :dk:

After week I added in a 4cm juvenile I had in another tank.

After 5 months I added a sub-adult male to try and encourage the adult male into breeding.

After 10 months I added another Adult male, have still had no luck :cry:

I have never seen any trapping before. 1 of the females is very gravid, the other not as much. Have tried cool water changes, lowering the temp then bringing it back up, small water changes a few days in a row, leaving them alone for a few months.

They are in a 4ft x 18 x 18 tank, gravel bottom, some drift wood, 2 slate shelf havens, 1 slate cave, 1 terracotta cave.
External canister filter running the tank and also a power head blowing current across the front of the caves. The tank is in a quiet place in a spare room with not alot of activity. I dont have a light on in the tank and the room is kept quite dark. Only really go in there to feed them each day. Also have a piece of cardboard across the front of the tank incase I go in the room I dont disturb them.

They are fed a mixture of Hikari algae wafers, OSI shrip pellets, Hikari carnivore and blood worms.

Temp: 28 degrees
Ph: 7
Ammonia: 0
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 10-20
GH: 4
KH: 5

As I said any help would be GREATLY appreciated, I would love to get these guys to breed!!! Thanks again.:hi:

 

[Blackdolphin]

Tried dropping PH? And keeping temp a fraction lower?
Regards luke

 

[r33crayon]

Hi Luke...Actually just yesterday i added some peat moss to the canister filter to hopefully drop the Ph slightly and i also turned the temp down to 26 at the same time. Do you think if i try and take the Ph down to 6.5 from 7 would be enough of a jump?

Thank you for responding.
Cheers Stuart.

 

[Blackdolphin]

I have a young colony myself, I dropped temp to 26 degrees and brought PH down to 6.6 with Discus Buffer and peat. Then I had a spawn producing about 13 eggs. Not too successful as some eggs didn't develop. But certainly I would say those conditions help. Where did you get your trio from? Wondering if we got from same source? Let me know how you go.

 

[r33crayon]

The Discus buffer sounds like a good idea, might try that along with the peat.
I got my trio from St. Albans Melbourne. Has your colony bred again after the spawn of 13?
Cheers Stuart.

 

[Blackdolphin]

No.. Having said that though there has been a fair amount of trapping.. I stick my nose in when I shouldn't so been leaving them alone. I would think there will be some more spawns before Christmas. I beleive they would be barely 2-2.5 years old. Fingers crossed

 

[r33crayon]

Good luck and thanks for the help. Ill let you know if my luck changes

 

[back to basics]

ive followed the article by jane elkestrom , her names somethn like that
the articles in shanes world , under reproduction , on planet catfish
i just keep my tds on 150 , ph 6.5
temp 29 to 30
gh 2 , kh1 , last year was the first year ive bred them all year round
great article , well worth the read
i do also add my own lab tested product
black water extract , 100% organic , removes chlorene , ammonia , everything , an organic all in one , can send you a free bottle if you want to try it
004s , 201s , 397s , l046 , 002s , 202s , 129s , 134s , shrimp , etc and on all breed well with its addiotion , as i dont use a dechlorenator on town water , just
the black water
then again people use a dechlorenator and no black water and their fish breed , ? whatever works i guess

 

[raybanger]

I would try a round cave, a tighter fit gets them going, mine breed on
7.4 to 7.6 ph,
Gh around 8
Temp 30
What type of canister you using? some work better than others, I up graded all mine to the aqua one 2700, great filter,
Super clean water is the ticket,
But everyone has a different opinion, do they look happy?

 

[back to basics]

mine look happy , well they wave their pec fins everytime i go past their tank
no canister on the tank either
2 sponge filters no current , cheap on power
but i use the same water softner u were selling raybanger , as i pre treat a 1000 litres and age it prior to use , run a uv on it as well , well worth it
cant say the uv water is the key to all year breeding ?, just the fish are doing their thing
happy i guess
spawns from 70 to 85
i use round tight fitting bamboo logs , nice n natural , they out grow it , i just upsize , to easy
one pair drop big all the time , yet all the pairs are fed the same ?
best of luck in your future attempts

 

[Bigjohnnofish]

mine just fired up again... in 24 degrees and ph of 7.2 and tds over 400ppm...

undergravel filter - no extra current... square slate caves with removable lids...

i tend to agree - whatever works... no real hard and fast rule just waterchanges and get the nitrates out

 

[raybanger]

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[raybanger]

mine just fired up again... in 24 degrees and ph of 7.2 and tds over 400ppm...

undergravel filter - no extra current... square slate caves with removable lids...

i tend to agree - whatever works... no real hard and fast rule just waterchanges and get the nitrates out

Fired up, mine haven't stop, a pair from bristlenosejohn, female from Tubbi, and my super clean water, they want relations, you also told me you only use tap water, how your TDS so high?

 

[Bigjohnnofish]

thats what the tap water comes out as anywhere from 300-450ppm....
some days its higher than others.... dont normally test it much nowadays as i dont feel its a major contributer to breeding... it may help a bit having lower tds levels but it works and im not complaining....

 

[raybanger]

thats what the tap water comes out as anywhere from 300-450ppm....
some days its higher than others.... dont normally test it much nowadays as i dont feel its a major contributer to breeding... it may help a bit having lower tds levels but it works and im not complaining....

That's what I thought, TDS is nothing, water change and supachlor does job

 

[back to basics]

potasium meta bisulfate , and edta
potasium meta bisulfate , removes chlorene
edta , binds up heavy metals
easy as very cheap , the bags go a very long way
tds , its a funny thing , local water here around 350ppm
then it can be higher or lower funny water board staff
this super chlore raybanger , saw a thread on another site where you said it was no good ?
must be a miss print ? on your behalf ?
is this product lab tested ?
or just made in a back yard , and a label slapped on it ?
and it works because ?
be great to read more about it , where can i find the relevant lab results , is it better than prime ? , as ive seen you state your a prime man on other sites
great to see the varied way in which the same fish are bred with such great succes , well done people , great to see , keep the fry comming
regards les

 

[raybanger]

this super chlore raybanger , saw a thread on another site where you said it was no good ?
must be a miss print ? on your behalf ?
is this product lab tested ?
or just made in a back yard , and a label slapped on it ?
and it works because ?

Put the link up and prove it, or can't you do that,
Prove it and benefit yourself,
Prove it

 

[back to basics]

this super chlore raybanger , saw a thread on another site where you said it was no good ?
must be a miss print ? on your behalf ?
is this product lab tested ?
or just made in a back yard , and a label slapped on it ?
and it works because ?

Put the link up and prove it, or can't you do that,
Prove it and benefit yourself,
Prove it

you know i cant post links , i cant even put up pictures , even though i have an entire copy of your photo bucket you left unlocked , {thanx techden , the pics are great }, and i got them given to me on usb stick /flash drive thingy
how would i benefit from going through over 16 months worth of posts to prove a point you can easily own up to
you state from memory super chlore didnt work as u were still getting ammonia readings ?
all i did was questions about a product then you give questions back ?
so ive awnsered yours , perhaps you can tell us why this product is great
is it australian made , or imported ?
its obviously been lab tested independently , and not by a back yarder
with a test kit/kits
as anyone can make claims , but when it comes to aquarium products thats best left to chemical engineers , as products ive made have been tested , to prove the products work
as my word on a label doesnt mean it works
thanx for your reply raybanger , look forward to reading the results you can get from the manufacturers testing results via the lab /labs used to verify the claims , regards les

 

[back to basics]

i did start going through a ,lot of your posts on the other forum , but heaps of them have been edited /, and pictures removed ?
are you trying to tell me , youve deleted the response ?
or should i keep looking
regards les

 

[raybanger]

I think making up story's, is making you look like a fool

He's a link, you can not edit old post fool,
All talk
http://www.qldaf.com/forums/general-aquarium-discussion-19/colour-tap-water-59832/