L183 Starlight eggs!!!

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VickiandKev

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We have just found another batch of L183 starlight eggs :woohoo:

This is the 4th batch but only 1 of those has the boy raised them successfully... I haven't stopped jumping around yet! I think the dogs think I have finally lost it! :lol:

After the first time I promised you all I would record the water parameters if they bred again so here are their water parameters...

Temp:30
pH: 8
KH: 11
gH: 19
TDS: 361
PO4: 2.0mg/L
Fe: 0.0mg/L

I am like a proud dad! Would people be interested in a breeding log? I know their not really as exotic as the other pleco breeding logs but think it would be interesting for people. Let me know.

Thanks for looking :hi:
 
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Oh thats great news, CONGRATS DAD...
A breeding log would be fantastic..they are as important as any other pleco..
Can't wait to hear more ....don't forget the piccies...
 
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FF MkII said:
Im not arguing and this wont start into one either. L183 are supposed to be black water fish, black water is normally on the lower scale. just making an observation.
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I know your not mate im just winding people up as usual, just shows tho a ph of 8 means they wud breed in a malawi tank
 
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Hi everyone,

Thanks very much for all you comments :) I have an exam at the end of this week but after that I will do a breeding log with pictures :) They are all off their yolk sacs and doing great. We tried to count and think there are around 50-60 :) not bad for a 2nd clutch! :)

thanks again...
 
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Hi all,
It would be interesting to know exactly what species they are, because why pH8 on its own is a fairly useless measurement, but combined with:
pH: 8
KH: 11
gH: 19
TDS: 361
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This is fairly hard, salt rich water and actually pretty close to the "Malawi Tank" parameters that "JoePlec" is so keen on. I think that these "L183" are likely to be an Ancistrus spp. from the Peruvian Andes piedmont "white waters", where their native water does have some more salts in it. You may be able to discount the true L183, as it's the only Ancistrus species with one hard and nine soft dorsal rays.

The upper Ucayali would have suitable water (this is where L204 originates as well), so something close to A. "Rio Ucayali" (and probably un-described) might be a possibility.

cheers Darrel
 
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dw1305 said:
Hi all,
It would be interesting to know exactly what species they are, because why pH8 on its own is a fairly useless measurement, but combined with:

This is fairly hard, salt rich water and actually pretty close to the "Malawi Tank" parameters that "JoePlec" is so keen on. I think that these "L183" are likely to be an Ancistrus spp. from the Peruvian Andes piedmont "white waters", where their native water does have some more salts in it. You may be able to discount the true L183, as it's the only Ancistrus species with one hard and nine soft dorsal rays.

The upper Ucayali would have suitable water (this is where L204 originates as well), so something close to A. "Rio Ucayali" (and probably un-described) might be a possibility.

cheers Darrel
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Thanks Darrel for your post. This has sent us on a hunt for information, although it's been fruitless so far. Two of our breeding fish have 7 soft dorsal rays but one of the males (who we suspect has been the Dad at least this last time - hard to tell from the caudal fin as we do not disturb males on eggs due to the likelihood of them being kicked out) has the 9 soft dorsal rays and 1 hard.
In appearance (apart from the dorsal rays) he is almost impossible to tell apart from our other male and the female. After rooting through various articles and looking at all the photos available of the different life stages on cat-e-log and in the Aqualog, our fish just don't look like anything other than the L183. They have too many spots in fryhood (is that a word?) to be the L71/L181/L249 and in adulthood they still have the seams to their caudal fin, although a lesser seam on their dorsal fin but still present. L059 is a definite non-possibility, there is no red colouration at any stage.
All of the stages the fry go through are identical to cat-e-logs photos of L183.

http://www.planetcatfish.com/shanesworld/shanesworld.php?article_id=380

This article I thought might help but seems to be fairly unclear also, we're currently emailing various people 'in the know' to see what their thoughts are on this, so far the only answers I have come across is that 'there is a lot of discussion about variability in dorsal fin rays and whether this does or does not separate species and whether the L183 must always have the 1 hard and 9 soft dorsal rays'.

So all in all, not conclusive at all .... watch this space, we are going to get to the bottom of this!
 
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