LDA01 Spawn :)

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I have just seen 3 Fry shooting around in the tank :) and the male is in the cave fanning like there is no tomorrow, he has been doing that since i picked him up off Bob so didn't think anything of it so it was i nice surprise:woohoo::woohoo:
 

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I do a nice range of grow on tank for your little breeder

All the best

I was getting 3 spawns a month of this bad boy

Regards Bob
 

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No a very slow spawner around 10 eggs a year

Well that is what I told john so be would buy them
 

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Cheers guys

I thought it was 10 eggs every 2 years bob, i want my money back lol

might need a grow out tank if they keep going i have 22 fry in a breeding trap that was from the eggs i took back from you and i would think there is the same amount from this spawn to
 

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i lost 6 fry yestarday :(

when i came home tonight there is another 3 dead they seem to have a clear fluff on them, i have one in a trap that has it on its tail, would you say this is fungus? i have treated the tank with Melafix just incase,

all the adults are fine and there is a few fry in the tank that look fine as well

PLEASE HELP cant stand watching fry die
 

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Tank is at 26 deg i dont have no Primafix at the moment only Melafix i will get some in the morning do you think i should use both?
 

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John

the temp is way to low as Mr G said I had them at around 29 to 30..

Use the fix it twins they have worked for me every time.

If you have sand as a substrate this could hold bacteria?
 

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I keep mine at about 28 degrees, but if they have bred at 26 that should not be too big a problem, but worth a degree or two warmer. if its too warm it holds less oxygen. I assume you have an airstone or venturi running?
dont think that would have caused the fungus. I suspect they are just young and vunerable and there is some fungal spores in the tank -maybe some of the eggs were fungused? do you have any small shrimps in the tank? they sometimes help by eating fungus, especially with eggs.
whatever try and keep water qual as good as you can with daily warm changes.
I have always had problems when they dont stay with dad for as long as poss - he usually is best at caring for these.
 

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John

the temp is way to low as Mr G said I had them at around 29 to 30..

Use the fix it twins they have worked for me every time.

If you have sand as a substrate this could hold bacteria?
I will turn the temp up then i thought you had them at 26 :wb::wb: should i change the temp slowly over a few days or should i just change it straight away?

it is Gravel subtrate i have been doing Gravel vacs every 3 days due to the amount of Crap they produce and i have been doing daily 10% water changes with cold treated water

I keep mine at about 28 degrees, but if they have bred at 26 that should not be too big a problem, but worth a degree or two warmer. if its too warm it holds less oxygen. I assume you have an airstone or venturi running?
dont think that would have caused the fungus. I suspect they are just young and vunerable and there is some fungal spores in the tank -maybe some of the eggs were fungused? do you have any small shrimps in the tank? they sometimes help by eating fungus, especially with eggs.
whatever try and keep water qual as good as you can with daily warm changes.
I have always had problems when they dont stay with dad for as long as poss - he usually is best at caring for these.
Yes i have an air stone in there, i could also change the fitting on the Ehiem to a venturi if need be, would you recommend this?

i didnt even know they had spawned so have no idea if any eggs fungused, i dont have any shrimp in the tank but i do have some cherry shrimp in another tank i could add a few do you think this is worth trying?

i have been doing daily water changes at about 10% i was just using cold treated water i would of used same temp water if i knew there was Eggs/fry

i noticed the fry still have yellow bellys (yolk sack) but not a real lot, i thought he should release them once they had tottaly gone do you think the male has been releasing them to early?

also would you still do daily water changes even though i am using the meds? it says on the bottle dose daily and do a water change after day 7

thanks for the help so far everyone
 
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this is a pic of one of the dead fry notice the white ish colour around it, when it is in the water it was like it was in a bubble

 

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John

To me it looks like it is bacterial.

I would accept this loss, keep the male apart to hold off the next spawning and deep clean the tank then start again
Raise the temp slowly or you will have white spot to treat also.


Regards Bob
 

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yes he has kicked them out too early so they are dying. all the egg sack should have gone. maybe he was disturbed, have you other fish in there that might have wanted the cave?
if you have a venturi to fit I would put it in cos if you are adding the 'fixes' they need more oxygen.
I had that onece whne a batch was kicked out and still had a little egg sack left, but they all died I'm afraid. I think they need to stay with dad till really have to come out. I suspect he feeds them so that they poplate their tummy with wood digesting bacteria or something. I even drop mico worms and crushed flake in front of cave when I know they are about to come out, so he can waft it in and they can stay with him a day longer.