fry keep dying..Albino bristlenose

[NEVVBIE]

Hi All

just a update i removed all my bristlenose from a dedicated britstlenose tank and split them amongst all my cichlid tanks yes higher ph and harder water they breeding double what they were in dedicated tank ...very weird.. but the fry keeps growing a few weeks old then dying same scenario i am having for last 1.5 years.... i got the log and put in fry saver in fry saver i have a clump of java fern daddy fanned and released most fry in save then i took the rest out of log.. all was good and now 2 weeks later all dying..CAN hikari wafers kill these small fry cause that's all i have used from day 1 and never changed?
I just can't work it out i try cleaning the fry saver daily but still gets dirty..
Any advice will help thanks...

shall i leave the log and daddy in fry saver for a much longer time?
shall i not feed the fry wafers for first week or so ?
shall i change brand of wafers?
shall i just feed them cucumbers and zucchini and forget the wafers till they are larger?
i have tried everything in the past different tanks release in same tank fry savers and so on...

 

[foti]

im sorry that you are loosing them can you please tell us your process and what you feed them ?

il tell you what i do i seperate fry from parents a day or 2 after egg sack is gone because i want to insure there first feed is with there parents but in your case i would wove the hole cave and father into a fry saver leaving them there fore about a week and feed them lettuce and zuchinni then il you should remove the cave and the male back with female
you will need to feed them or provide food for them all day do water changes every second day to suck up there poo water temp must be the same when filling back up

i do hope this helps
Foti,

 

[Irene0100]

hi, can you tell us more about food quantity, water change frequency, size of tank, temp, current, etc?
I would def feed much more fresh veg and only use wafers once a week as these have been known to cause bloat sometimes.
if current is high the little fry get tired and exhausted.
it is possible they are getting an infection - are the dead ones plump or skinny?

 

[NEVVBIE]

they look normal when dead they are in a fry saver will try post pic of fry saver also temperature is about 25-26c .. i was dropping 2 x hikari wafer in fry saver and they looked hardly touched so i suck the left overs up..
http://www.fishcave.com.au/fry_savers/index.html link of fry saver its the perspex one very nice fry saver

 

[NEVVBIE]

The albino fry when swimming look like they are weak and going in for circles when you look at there stomachs they have a dark patch that i am guessing its there insides..
just cant work it out over 1.5 years 1000's of fry and not one has survived only thing i can think of maybe not giving them enough time with daddy or the hikari wafers...but i also have done the scenario that they stay in same tank as parents so they have plenty of daddy time.

 

[foti]

you need to feed them veg's and you need to leave it in there
suck up there poo and you need to give them some drift
is there alot of current if so you need to put them somewhere were there is not as much

 

[Irene0100]

if you have left some with parents and they died as well that is odd.
how often did you change the water and how much?
my best guess is they either have some vitamin or mineral deficiency from lack of varied food, or they are getting some infection they cant fight.
the fry saver looks fine as long as it does not get over crowded as they grow bigger. how many weeks old do they grow to and then do they all die at once or over how many days?

 

[NEVVBIE]

about 1 week out of log they start to die off slowly over 4-5 days nearly all dead..i seriously think its this hikari wafers i feed them next batch i will stick to vegetables only till they are bigger... its a big tank the fry saver is in and i do once a week water change but clean fry saver regularly.

 

[Lornek8]

Dark belly can be a sign of bacteral infection.
How often do you scrub the bottom/sides of the fry saver?

Being solid walled/floored you can get the same type of issues with bacterial build-up as you get with bare-bottomed aquariums.

 

[Doodles]

Dark belly can be a sign of bacteral infection.
How often do you scrub the bottom/sides of the fry saver?

Being solid walled/floored you can get the same type of issues with bacterial build-up as you get with bare-bottomed aquariums.

Agreed, also what is the log made out of? if wood, what sort?


Moved to health forum

 

[NEVVBIE]

The logs are i think terracotta(clay) i will try and get a pic.. but before i got this fry saver same thing use to happen in just normal ice cream container fry saver... any suggestions for fry saver? do you recommend gravel in fry saver ?

 

[Lornek8]

Any solid surface in the aquarium can see similar bacterial film issues.
Why the fry saver anyway? Is there fish that might eat the fry? I'd simply allow them to hatch & grow in the main tank if there are no predatation issues. Just gotta make sure you keep the substrate clean.

 

[foti]

this is not your problem you need to give them plenty of foods and you need to vacum up all there poo even on a daily bases.

what is the filtration like?
do you over handle any of the fry?
non of my fry get any wafer till atleast 3 weeks "i might throw one in there but i dont expect them to eat it as there main diet but more if hey can!"
do you have any that are alive now ? if so feed them peas with garlic!

albinos and black bellys! they all have them mine would go red then black when i feed them tomatos lol

also fry saver is too small to keep them in there for a long enough time ?
why are they being put in the fry saver ?
if there is no predator in there tank leave them in there

it is good to introduce a big veriaty of foods to fry so there chance of surviving once sold is beter. iv purchased plecs that wont eat certain foods and it is hard to get them to start with out starving them!"long process"

 

[foti]

lol i guess you got there before me

 

[NEVVBIE]

totally different topic in another tank its a grow out tank for my cichlids never ever had this happen before but the bigger fish 3-4cm and close to the bottom breathing fast and daily i am losing a few fish they are dying in full color with there mouths open i don't understand first time it's happening to me in years..

 

[foti]

air they need air or it could be your filtration aswell
get to your filtration what are you useing?
you need to remove all dead fish and do a big water change please test your water then get back to us if you want the right help!

 

[Breamlegend]

They might breed more but the water parameters are not right. I'd move them back and put the fry in a fry saver or just let them run loose in the tank. stop feeding the wafers and switch to zucchini.

 

[NEVVBIE]

my nightmare continues... i made a big big mistake the cichlid tank(grow out tank) with all the problems had 1x male and 3 x females(albino bristlenose) and i treated the tank with paracide meds and now i notice all the catfish really stiff looking just sitting there i am 90% sure they will probably die any suggestions i have done a water change to help....
p.s just a thought of why my grow out tank became like this..i bought some fish off a guy i noticed he had some common bristle nose through out all his tanks asked if he was selling any females i bought 2 i did not look at them and got them home dropped 1 in grow out tank and the other in different tank the one in the grow out tank looked weird FLAT AND PALE like a pancake i said to myself looks sick sure enough 2 days later dead then a couple of days after that all the fry started to die off slowly 3-4cm fish.. so what could that bristlenose of had??? flat and pale bad looking? any suggestions?
cheers

 

[foti]

mate got to say its not the ones you bought
please take a pic of your set up as is !
you a treating a problem? what did you treat for?
your fish were showing signs of bad water quality!
a water change would of been fine then a filter clean a few days after!

still waiting on your process of care WC, results of water tests, amount of fish, in tank, size of tank, filter, please give us a full run down of your set ups tell us what you feed how much how many times everything

you can only imagine how hard this is to give you advice for all of these problems

as for your cats take them out put them in there own tank same water add lots of air do small water changes every 2hours try not to shock them too much for they can die just like that!

i know that sucks to go through this but by the sounds of it you tried to bite more than you can chew !

finally what meds did you use(name) plus high ph causes stress on the bn in top notch water so if high ph plus bad water quality together only means trouble

i am sure that you can tackle this problem head on and succeed

so best of luck

 

[NEVVBIE]

when i did the water check it was spot on using the test kits no nitrite - no nitrate no amonia and ph was 7.4 and my tanks all are crystal clear ..and that bristlenose i am telling you about was sick 100% as i said flat (like pancake) fins never to be seen extended and pale and dead in 2 days(skin colour looked like a foggy look hard to explain..it is a 4x18x18 tank had 50-60 2-4cm fish now less..
i will try to give more info soon
i used wardleys paraside meds cause many people mentioned gill fluke cause the way they breathing very fast also scratching near gill area...another site mentioned use methalyn blue before using any of these products i do a small water change so it is not doubling up on meds.