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Plecomate

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thanks for that, Yes Ammonia kills the fish I know that, It then goes to nitrites and then to nitrates. No fish in the tank and my filters were used in a previous cycled tank so not new. as the PH i have no idea. I will have to test again to see if I got the same result. Will go test both PH in about 30 min. Before I put my fish in, I want to have my PH around 6.5-7
 

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h and on top of that, about 1/4 of each tank was filled with water that had fish in it for years. So proper cycled tank water and a bacterial canister filter. The only new water added for about 3/4 for each tank
 

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hahaha, I was just curious, Yes I am an experienced fish keeper and breeder haha sorry, I obviously knew it wasn't a problem otherwise I wouldn't have done it. Was just curious if i was right in thinking that I would be getting more oxygen and water movement within the tank by doing it.
 

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No offence but it think you may be over estimating your experiance level, almost all of your questions an experienced fish keeper would know as its fairly basic stuff. using old tank water is pointless and wont help you cycle any quicker as it will have little or no bacteria to aid the cycle process. fishless cycling with ammonia, fish in cycling with lots of water changes or using mature media is the main ways to cycle, when cycled you wouldn't get a cloudy tank as that is a bacteria bloom.
 

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using old tank water is pointless and wont help you cycle any quicker as it will have little or no bacteria to aid the cycle process. fishless cycling with ammonia, fish in cycling with lots of water changes or using mature media is the main ways to cycle, when cycled you wouldn't get a cloudy tank as that is a bacteria bloom.
Agreed. My next question then, if there is no fish in the tank, is where is the ammonia coming from? Just for clarification, tanks don't cycle, its the filters that cycle. Also, the denitrifying bacteria are living creatures so if not provided a food source, ammonia/nitrite, they will die off.
 

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ok a few thoughts from my side as well

1. post a pic of your 2 tanks
2. do not use seachem on a daily basis, there is no need for this
3. do you have fish in the tanks already
4. what filter media do you have
5. would also be concerned that 2 different readings of PH if you are using the same water.

cheers jk :thumbup:
 

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1. Pics are on the first page if thats good
2. Ok, I was just going with what the bottle said. Add everyday for 8 days (today is day 4)
3. No fish in any of the tanks yet
4. Tank 1 running eheim 2215 with substrat pro and bio mech
Tank 2 - Sump, Filter wool with 100 bio balls

5. I will test again when I get home and see what readings I get.

As far as everything else goes both my Ammonia and nitrite levels are low and minor, my ph will be tested when I get home...
 

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ok, just leave your tanks alone now for another 4 days. Do not test, do not do anything, just let it settle. What I do is also add a minute amount of food, so maybe half a pellet in each tank. Also for your L134 tank, I would add 1m or 2cm of silica sand. Also more caves, your photo is unclear how many ou have but I would suggest 3-4 per pair and various types of caves.
My other question is, as these tanks and sump second hand ? If these are second hand, i hope that you rinsed and boiled the bio balls in hot water, otherwise this might be the reason for your spike as well. cheers jk :thumbup:
 

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Plecs or not, ammonia kills fish. Nitrates are the natural end product of the denitrifying process. Simple diagnosis, your filters aren't cycled. Last week we're talking about what filter to buy, this week theres fish in the tank. Filters take about 4-6 weeks to cycle & become suitable for supporting fish. You should also check your nitrites.
There hasn't been a product that i've seen that can cycle a filter in days. Most, if effective at all, shorten the cycle time by a few days of the 4-6 weeks.

Also weird why one tank is at pH 7.6 & the other 6. I'd avoid using chemicals to buffer the pH its a never ending struggle. If you've already got your fish in the tanks, changing the water parameters, especially quickly, can cause major problems. Most sources recommend no more than a 0.2 change in pH in 24 hours.
very well said :thumbup:
every aquarium should be set up in a way for the water to suit the fish with out using cemicals.

thought it is understandable when people try mimic ph readings of 9+ minrals need to be added!

Agreed. My next question then, if there is no fish in the tank, is where is the ammonia coming from? Just for clarification, tanks don't cycle, its the filters that cycle. Also, the denitrifying bacteria are living creatures so if not provided a food source, ammonia/nitrite, they will die off.
:thumbup: just one thing tanks do not cycle but they do build up with bacteria everything in the aquarium will be covered with bacteria substrate glass caves drift which helps

even tho all you need is a cycled filter to get started but only when your whole tank is "cycled" you are 100%

No offence but it think you may be over estimating your experiance level, almost all of your questions an experienced fish keeper would know as its fairly basic stuff. using old tank water is pointless and wont help you cycle any quicker as it will have little or no bacteria to aid the cycle process. fishless cycling with ammonia, fish in cycling with lots of water changes or using mature media is the main ways to cycle, when cycled you wouldn't get a cloudy tank as that is a bacteria bloom.
no holding back ay

most new people get overly exited and end up asking questions that they might already know the answers to,
but.....
as long as they dont lie! people will still help them as they wont end up feeling as its pointless! as if we recieve incorrect info we canot help with the correct answers

i hope all is well plecomate take some new pics to show us ur tanks and gear also could you clarify if you have the fish or not?

if that filter came from an established tank "not from someone else, who you bought it from but from your tank then it should be cycled" if you bought it from some one else then i would say it was left empty or full with out running it so it doesnt have the bacteria anymore!
so you will need to start again!


points you should consider

breeding a easyer fish to start with
only getting one breeding pair
making sure you have the ph stable to your liking before ading any fish
as ph will drop with amonia!

like i said drift will drop your ph and calcium based rocks will raise it! perfect amout of each will give you your desired ph!
 

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thanks for that, I have bred BN before, Perfectly actually, longfin and short. This would be my first L# to breed. I did however have 2x 8cm 134s about 1.5 years ago and never really gave them a solid go at breeding. Now I really want to give it ago, My tap water sits on a PH of 6 and my ammonia levels in both tanks are stable so far (0.5-1.0) I have no nitrites and nitrates of 10 in both tanks. Tomorrow I will test water again and see if anything has progressed in terms of a stable PH and ammonia levels. I am going to play around a bit with my tanks and I will take photos when I am done changing around some decor.

Many posts I have red, say that the 134s are not overly hard to breed. Like I have said, I bred many cichlids in the past as well as BN and never had any problems. I totally understand the cycling process and I am only on day 5 of it being all up and running.

I will try and find some silica sand but dont know where to get it from. As for bio balls I did rinse them out in cold water but didnt boil them. Is it too late to do this now? I didnt know I had to boil them....

Thanks guys
 

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where are you in SYD ?
Silica sand you get very cheap in a pool shop, just make sure you rinse it very very well. If you did not rinse the bio balls, it could be that the stuff left on them is still decaying causing a spike. I would not touch the tank now or test the water for another 3-4days. Let it settle. cheers jk :thumbup:
 

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Im in Beverly Hills, Is it like pool sand? I called a few pool places around me and they had no idea what it was, although they had normal pool sand - 20kg for $20. on this note, What exactly does the sand do? other than make the tank harder to clean haha

Ok thanks, I wont test the water until the weekend, I will just let nature take its course. Another question, because my tap water is a ph of 6 and I want my PH around 6.5-7. should I mix a bit of calcium carb in the sand? or just wait and see what the tank ends up stabilising on?

Thanks bigbird
 

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ok, Thanks for that. I will wait til friday or saturday and test the water and let you all know. That way, the drift in the tank and what not we should hopefully see some results.
I will also go and get some pool sand, But like I said, what does it do exactly? or is it purely for aesthetics for the 134s?

Thanks
 

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The cloudiness is ammonia building...means your tank is cycling...use Seachem Prime to help keep ammonia down and stability to keep bacterias healthy & so they multiply fast...
 

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i find all of my plecs dig and swivel the tail in the sand. I have noticed they try and mold it in order maybe for more current, but they all love it. Like I said not too thick just 1-2cm. It is not harder to clean, with a good current, you filter will pick up the rest. cheers jk
 

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Ok thanks, I will go get some today if I can, So to be clear Pool filter sand? thats what it is. I will obviously since it out many many times before putting it in the tank. Does it make the tank water cloudy when you put it in? like normal sand?

Thanks